Comments on Bannable Offenses: WoW: The Little Things

While that is a big thing that WoW runs on a Mac (...

2009-03-10T12:01:00.000-07:00

While that is a big thing that WoW runs on a Mac (I play on one) FFXI plays on PS3 (PS2) and 360 as well as Windows.

And the one major pro of WoW that a lot of people ...

2009-03-10T10:27:00.000-07:00

And the one major pro of WoW that a lot of people forget...it'll run on a Mac.

Laugh if you must, but you'd be surprised how many people I raid with who run Macs (myself included).

*shrug* You make it accessible, you get the business.

I saw this at massively so I thought I'd throw in ...

2009-03-06T18:42:00.000-08:00

I saw this at massively so I thought I'd throw in a comment or 2.

I've tried a lot of MMO's, arguably every big one on the market outside of LotR:O and this is how I'd stack the 2 up. By goods and bads.

FFXI Strengths:

Lots of content
Story heavy missions (and quests sometimes)
Arguably the best battle system in a MMO
Subjobs - adds variety and little reason for extra characters
Great design
Large cities and areas.
Cutscenes
Great soundtrack

FFXI Weaknesses:

Slow pace - even for the style of game.
Subjobs - adds stress of leveling jobs to lvl what u want
No instanced content = lots of camping
Seeking party in Jeuno as a DRG and MNK
Not enough variety in end game gear
Horrible death penalties
Large time requirements
Payment needed for extra characters.
Horrible PVP
Very little solo gameplay
Level grinding..... ugh

WoW Strengths:

Lots of content
Very fun PVP
Lots of variety in gear
Lots of well designed dungeons and instanced content
Solo gameplay
Great design
Travel (mounts, swimming, flying)
Talent Tree
Great Soundtrack

WoW's Weaknesses

Way too easy
Quest Grinding
Reputation Grinding.... ugh
Need for more then 1 character to experience the game
General Chat
Barrens Chat
Stranglethorn Vale
Horrible players in end game
Very Gear based
Collection quests - way too many
Horrible quest representation - bad for story telling

Both games have gone through numerous updates and changes and change a lot at higher lvl content as well as have more to offer then any player can obtain in 1 week of play. Both games however have a lot of problems and are extremely different.

Good news here is Bioware is working on The Old Republic and it looks to be really amazing. Hopefully FFXI and WoW extremest fans won't shy away from it and give it the time of the day.

2009-03-06T18:38:00.000-08:00

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Why do you idiots always have to post the same shi...

2009-02-24T03:52:00.000-08:00

Why do you idiots always have to post the same shit over and over again?

i could care less about wow i like the game just i...

2009-02-23T13:44:00.000-08:00

i could care less about wow i like the game just i dont like to waste every day on it the game is easy because it is a fantasy to escape reality and to help morons feel like they can play a game... hence the reason i could care less and prolly one of the reason you dont like it. however i am not fairing ffxi i dont really care the game play for console systems like ps2 or ps3 run slash and run back WHOA THAT IS SO EXCITING yeah right any way that is just my opinion why you are looking for the little things.

@ScarlettIt wasn't Dave making fun of WoW that bot...

2009-02-23T12:27:00.000-08:00

@Scarlett

It wasn't Dave making fun of WoW that bothers me. Like I said, that's his thing, I'm cool with that.

It's the constant putting down that people in the comments do. Maybe I'm just weird. I'm capable of enjoying the MMOs I play without debasing the others. I don't think I like playing certain other games but you don't hear me talking about how much they suck. I'm sure other people like them for their own reasons.

One person making fun of the obvious flaws of something is funny. A bunch of people who are doing it for non-comedic reasons...not so much.

WoW is like the games I play on NotDoppler during ...

2009-02-23T09:36:00.000-08:00

WoW is like the games I play on NotDoppler during computer class.

half the reason i play FF is because of the challe...

2009-02-23T09:23:00.000-08:00

half the reason i play FF is because of the challenge!!!

whats the fun if you get to 75 and your a millionare in 3 weeks...

Its like cheats in regular RPGs. for the noobs :D

2009-02-23T09:21:00.000-08:00

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Why do people bitch about the quests. Go kill 7 o...

2009-02-23T07:23:00.000-08:00

Why do people bitch about the quests. Go kill 7 of these and bring them back. This is no different than what FFXI or any other MMO has done. Go kill 20 mandies and bring me back their leaf's. Guess my point is you have to kill shit to lvl up anyways why not get a bouns at the end of your fighting when your done. FFXI has done the same thing now with Fields of Valor, i have seen 75's level sync back to 20-24 range to do FOV.

So why the need to explain his jokes away, when th...

2009-02-22T19:49:00.000-08:00

So why the need to explain his jokes away, when that's the whole point..

Chrysalis, I don't think anyone here was intending to explain his jokes, as much as they were trying to help Dave understand the WoW conventions and game. If he's going to write about his not understanding certain aspects of the game, WoWers are going to help. He's writing as if he's a total newbie to WoW, and there's a lot of nice, helpful people who do play WoW, who want to offer advice or explain things that he's questioning.

So, I'm of the camp that loves to play FFXI. I sta...

2009-02-22T16:24:00.000-08:00

So, I'm of the camp that loves to play FFXI. I started MMOs on EQ and I tease all the players that got all the updates that gave them maps and porters, etc. It's the whole "back in my day" spiel. It amuses me. While I jokingly give WoW players hell as well, I understand and appreciate that the games are made for two different kinds of players. All with that is well and good for me. What I don't get is the idea that people on here feel the need to explain away Dave's jokes, or need to harrass each other about what game is better. They each are good in their own way and well... Dave.. is a comedian. He writes this blog to amuse himself, and possibly us. *laughs* So why the need to explain his jokes away, when that's the whole point... the JOKE! *sighs* Humanity, how I wonder why we bother...

If you want to see a Dave really make fun of WoW- ...

2009-02-22T15:35:00.000-08:00

If you want to see a Dave really make fun of WoW-

Scarlett, everyone who reads Dave knows his hatred of WoW. Honestly, I don't think any of us WoWers expected Dave to convert. And I wasn't hoping for it, either. He was fairer than I was expecting, all things considered.

Though having seen screenshots of FF1 on their official site, I don't see any difference between their graphics & WoW. Looks about the same, quality-wise, to me.

One thing about WoW is that money is too easy to m...

2009-02-22T15:16:00.000-08:00

One thing about WoW is that money is too easy to make. In FFXI it's a pain in the ass. Like if you are crafting in FFXI, most items are usually sold at the cost of the materials, or less. If you get lucky and HQ it's like hitting the freaking jack pot. If you craft in WoW you get the same item, every time, no failures, and there are 100 others on the AH.

Which is sometimes like FFXI, but it doesn't work well for WoW.

Also, isn't there some "giant condor" in FFXI (you know, in sky) that drops a giant axe, some pants (actually, haidate, which are more like shorts) and other random crap? Granted that no giant condor should have any giant shield of epic kickass, but they shouldn't have any pants of epic kickass either.

Wow hasn't always been "go here on your mini map i...

2009-02-22T13:36:00.000-08:00

Wow hasn't always been "go here on your mini map if you're looking for a quest to level from". At release there was nothing 'given' to you in such a way. You searched for everything and if you couldn't find it, you went to thottbot. Since, it has obviously evolved.

I don't understand the problem is though, I would rather spend the time playing the game rather than searching around a major city looking for the guy that gives me a quest allowing me to do so.

Thus in doing so, Blizzard has expanded their audience to people with a shorter attention span... (I.E.- those who don't play FinalFantasy*.*)

But your soul is disconnected from your body, and ...

2009-02-22T13:13:00.000-08:00

But your soul is disconnected from your body, and thus the armor on it.

I'd take the 'little things' in wow over the 'have...

2009-02-22T12:45:00.000-08:00

I'd take the 'little things' in wow over the 'have to's' in ffxi any day. Have a problem with a buzzard dropping armor? Try the rabbit that will kick your butt. There's ALWAYS that rabbit.
Repetitive leveling?
Does anyone remember leveling in ffxi? You have to kill the same monster over and over for blocks of levels. Can I fight those ones? Nope, they kill you. I'd take running over an area, discovering different mobs and factions and quests vs. killing crawlers for two weeks. Ah, the crawler cave..you can rot in hell. And heaven forbid someone pulls two, 'cus there goes the hour of work you just did.
You want to be a healer? Great! But that means you have to level something else, too. Why can't I just stand back and heal? I have to spend weeks leveling a class I don't like and no one really wants to party with.
I think its a lot more fun to actually 'play' a game vs. sitting around for an hour or two waiting for a party to form.
And then there's the crafting. What's so wrong with using the stuff you make at a reasonalbe cost? Need potions or armor or bullets? MAKE SOME! How is it supposed to make sense that a necklace takes a big fireball of sound and fury to make..and you can fail at it. You'd think "put string in hole and tie knot" would be a little simpler than that.
All mmo's have a little suspension of disbelief, but making fun of one without acknoledging the weaknesses of your own is teh weaksause.
I enjoyed both games, but FFXI just wasn't for me. I am very anti-farming, so 90% of my play time was mostly boring and non-enjyoable. Playing wow to 20 is like just doing Dunes Parties....it really doesn't represent the full fun and excitement of the game ^_^ .

@Dxoh: No, because obviously players' souls don't ...

2009-02-22T11:49:00.000-08:00

@Dxoh: No, because obviously players' souls don't get extinguished. You run back to your body as a ghost, after all...

@ Music-ChanIf you want to see a Dave really make ...

2009-02-22T10:40:00.000-08:00

@ Music-Chan

If you want to see a Dave really make fun of WoW- http://bannable-offenses.blogspot.com/2006/08/what-night.html

I've personally loved this week- but then I've always felt that way about the sugar-substitute that is WoW.

It just doesn't look or feel right and leaves a bad aftertaste in my mouth.

So... by killing a monster, extinguishing its soul...

2009-02-22T10:10:00.000-08:00

So... by killing a monster, extinguishing its soul... you can steal his BoP item. Does that mean that when a player kills YOU, they can steal your uber BoP item?

The tracking of quest NPCs got added because every...

2009-02-22T10:01:00.000-08:00

The tracking of quest NPCs got added because everyone was tired of folks asking the same questions over & over in chat --

"HOWZ I FIND THIS PERSON PLZ PLZ PLZ"

And there's a few quests that were consistently getting skipped because they were out in the middle of nowhere, hidden in out-of-the-way areas -- you could pass within a few feet of them & never know they were there. One on the border of the Wetlands & Arathi Highlands comes to mind -- the questgiver is a dead dwarf, under water. The questchain leads you through this heartbreaking backstory of a dwarf killed in the fighting and how it hits his family; I would've missed this one entirely (and did, on my first toon) until Blizz added the tracking option.

Granted, adding the sparkly things around quest items was STUPID. It did make it far too easy. Hey, if players don't know enough to look up the crap on any number of hint sites, they aren't smart enough to be playing.

akisawana --

I have a life. It's called Offline Real World. I play WoW to GAME, not to have another life & job. kkthankxbai.

Every MMO is different, I've discovered. People w...

2009-02-22T09:56:00.000-08:00

Every MMO is different, I've discovered. People who are dedicated to FFXI are going to find that the best game, no matter what. Same thing goes for any other MMO; Everquest, WoW, LOTRO, etc.

I know what GM Dave does it make fun of things and that's perfectly all right by me. But I've never understood why people feel the need to insult the games that other people enjoy. You have a game you like, I have a game I like. Why does that mean one of us is a 'noob' or whatever?

It is the little things...the little things that make us enjoy the time we have in a game.

Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go jump over a river.

I see a lot of people saying about how Blizzard ma...

2009-02-22T09:14:00.000-08:00

I see a lot of people saying about how Blizzard makes the annoying and tedious things easier. While I get some people may like that, to me when they do that they also take away everything that is interesting. In my opinion, the only good part about WoW is the endgame raids, however, while good other MMOs have raids that are better, while still having all the interesting non-endgame content. I suppose WoW and FFXI aren't simply different games - they're nearly different genres. What appeals to one group in WoW, doesn't appeal to another group in FFXI. I guess that's why we have two different games.

@Hat: Are you referring to the endgame now, in Wra...

2009-02-22T08:48:00.000-08:00

@Hat: Are you referring to the endgame now, in Wrath, or did you play endgame TBC too?

Wrath only has the first tier of raid instances released so far. Raiding content in TBC was more challenging, and you can expect to see the difficulty ramp up in the 3.1 patch with Ulduar.