Comments on Bannable Offenses: Unleashed

HAH! [GM]DAVE HAS DONE IT ONCE AGAIN! You, sir, ar...

2009-01-19T18:29:00.000-08:00

HAH! [GM]DAVE HAS DONE IT ONCE AGAIN! You, sir, are the epitome of rants both witty and true!

Actually, quite a few posts ago, there was the fat...

2008-10-17T12:46:00.000-07:00

Actually, quite a few posts ago, there was the fateful cry from Dave to have some wild child leashed.
I can not recall the exact post, but I'll dig through them and get the name of it. I want to say it was an 06 post, but I may be wrong.

Okay just to take a perspective. You are hilarious...

2008-10-16T23:14:00.000-07:00

Okay just to take a perspective. You are hilarious. and i agree. I am 19 and my parents never used a leash on me. I got lost in a store many times, because i was curious. I learned that getting lost is bad. I dont think that a leash would have damaged my psyche but i do think they are rather silly. i turned out fine, i may have been a hastle but i learned to obey. Getting lost is scary. And no getting lost did not affect my ability to try new experiences. I think that perhaps this matter is one of opinion and really we will probably never agree on it

One time i actually saw a parent on a bike..with h...

2008-08-25T13:55:00.000-07:00

One time i actually saw a parent on a bike..with his kid..running behind him..strapped to him with a leash.

Once more:

Parent on bike
Kid running

madness...

ahem Leashes/harnesses have been around at least...

2008-08-04T13:04:00.000-07:00

*ahem* Leashes/harnesses have been around at least *40* years, because my parents have home films of me & my brother running around with them using them.

The real irony? If those kids had been *off* leashes, Dave would've been bitching about how loud & noisy & uncontrolled those kids were as they ran around all over the place.

As tony said, just wait 2 & a half years, Dave. Leashes don't replace good parenting, but they sure as hell HELP the good parents STAY good parents.

I know I'm coming late to this party but here's my...

2008-07-31T11:04:00.000-07:00

I know I'm coming late to this party but here's my take on toddler leases:
As the mother of an adventurous, mischevous, hyperactive almost-2-year old, I LOVE my daughter's leash. It's a little monkey backpack with a long tail that I can hang onto.

Yes, we are teaching her to hold hands and to stay with us but she also has the attention span of a gnat and loves to take off running. The running is ok if my husband and I are out together but it's so NOT ok when we are alone!

Psyclological damage? I'm not worried about that. It's not like I drag her along, we walk holding hands and I have the leash around my wrist just in case. (She is freakishly fast!)

I regularly have parents of young kiddies stop me to ask where I got the leash. I wish more parents would use them. My worst fear is that she wanders a few feet from me and I never see her again. I'm willing to use whatever tool is at my disposal to prevent that from happening.

I am normally home and barefoot grins I was not...

2008-07-29T07:30:00.000-07:00

I am normally home and barefoot *grins* I was not this time because my grandfather was in the hospital and wanted to go and see him and spend time with him and let him see his great grandchildren before he passed. My husband, who works, couldn't take as much time as I could. I had to fly alone.

And I know Dave wouldnt normally hold a purse, but I am sure he is accustomed to it. Every married man holds a purse at some time.

I was not saying he should, I was just pointing out that there was a time in my life when I needed my young son leashed because I could not devote both eyes and arms and feet to watching him. It was the only time in my life that I have used the leash.

And as to the guy who talked about how great he and his wife are and they are parents and responsible and all that BS - yeah must be nice to have a husband who goes with you everywhere. What is he unemployed that he and his wife manage to do everything together? Or is his wife so much of a twit that she can't manage the grocery store on her own? She needs a big strong man to corral the kids? Maybe he is just so whipped that he follows her around like a puppy on all her errands?

Atomic skull is just BEGGING to be fed to Jormy......

2008-07-28T22:22:00.000-07:00

Atomic skull is just BEGGING to be fed to Jormy....

In regards to the woman who had her child on a lea...

2008-07-28T15:55:00.000-07:00

In regards to the woman who had her child on a leash while pregnant and at an airport. The question that needs to be asked here isn't whether the leash is acceptable. The real question is why she isn't at home and barefoot.

I, for one, prefer using a leash on kids.They can'...

2008-07-28T11:47:00.000-07:00

I, for one, prefer using a leash on kids.

They can't move around as much. It keeps the meat tender.

Psychosys, first off if any of the last few posts ...

2008-07-28T04:37:00.000-07:00

Psychosys, first off if any of the last few posts over the last couple months are any indication of what is happening at [GM]Daves house. i would venture to state that he might be holding a purse quite often, and i am sure Susan is nice enough to color coordinate with daves outfit at the time while hes holding her purse.

as far as the rant goes... 30 years yall say.. interesting... this all may be my fault.. way back in my childhood almost 40ish years ago i lived in california. during the nice summer afternoons when i was between 4 and 6 (yes this went on awhile) i would go out into the front yard.. turn the dog loose.. put on his collar and chain.. sit next to the road..

and watch cars go by..

Yes, leashes suck - they're far too long and allow...

2008-07-28T02:46:00.000-07:00

Yes, leashes suck - they're far too long and allow a child way too much freedom. Tie them to the underside of the shopping cart and that way they'll enjoy a whole new experience - whilst not being underfoot for the rest of the mall.

Kitty said:"I do not know about you, but I find it...

2008-07-27T02:23:00.000-07:00

Kitty said:"I do not know about you, but I find it hard to keep a diaper bag and a purse slung over my shoulder."

Now please correct me if I'm wrong, but I really, *really* don't see [GM]Dave worrying about slinging his -purse- over his shoulder.

Dear Lord.

Jafo, your argument invalidates itself by leaving ...

2008-07-26T23:15:00.000-07:00

Jafo, your argument invalidates itself by leaving out major variables.

I have only one more thing to add before abandoning this discussion as moot:

Ethics and moral issues aside; if putting a child on a leash were REALLY all that effective, don't you think you'd see MORE people doing it?

My own experience says this simply isn't the case. I generally encounter maybe ONE parent with a child on a leash for about every five trips out (shopping, recreation, whatever). That's a pretty darn small frequency and doesn't take into account whether or not I'm seeing the same parent and child multiple times. I submit that leashing a child for any "reason" is, by and large, viewed as ineffective and frowned upon by a clear majority of parents.

You bring up a very good point, Jafo.If they made ...

2008-07-26T23:09:00.000-07:00

You bring up a very good point, Jafo.

If they made a law banning it under pain of fines and jail time, it would stop.

And so if we would stop out of fear of the law, perhaps it is not so neccesary after all.

Just think for a second about why you're using you...

2008-07-26T22:29:00.000-07:00

Just think for a second about why you're using your leash/spanking your kid/sending them to time out or whatever. Are you doing it to a. keep your child safe/make sure they grow up with a proper moral compass (whatever you believe that compass should be) or b. make your life easier by removing an aspect of dealing with your child. If you can honestly, fully answer a, do your thing. If your main motive is b, you might want to think about what you are doing.

Like the man said (I am assuming he's a man...i've...

2008-07-26T21:41:00.000-07:00

Like the man said (I am assuming he's a man...i've been wrong before) We don't know everything about psychology. How's this for a flip side thought.
Case#1: Child gets lost in a store. Has to wander around for an hour feeling lost and alone, finally gets found and either hugged or spanked for getting their silly ass lost and making the parent worry. Child grows up to be afraid to try new things, to really "think outside the box", hell, they might piss themselves and fall over into the fetal position anytime they get lost or go "off the map" as it were.
Case#2: Child is on a leash. Learns not to go running off, sooner or later, due to their sterling behavior of not going flying up in the air like charlie brown trying to kick a football, they no longer have the leash and know well enough to walk next to the adult. Their learn to play by the rules inherent to the system in which they were born and now live. They learn that good behavior is treated with more liberties and bad behavior has consequence. They don't have abandonment issues because, let's face it, their parent cared enough to hang onto them whether by holding their hand or their tether.
What is the greater indignity, walking on a leash tethered to the person who loves you, or having your ass reddened in a store, surrounded by strangers staring at you getting your hide tanned for being an idiot.
No, the parents are not letting their children run loose, they are keeping them close at hand while they are out taking care of business. They are not causing that child to follow along on all fours, nor are they making them eat out of a dog dish. They're being responsible. Is it any different than giving a hyperactive child ritalin? Is that not a chemical leash? Is it not a form of control over that child because they have no other options? It absolutely is, but it is also a necessary fact of life.
I would much rather have a child out there feeling a little humiliated for a short period of time until they learn how to behave in public properly, than to see these same kids cut loose and running amok. I am also pretty sure that the wild and out of control behavior isn't going to end there. But that would be more speculation than I feel like putting in print at the moment. Any way you look at it, having your child on a leash is not against any law. You may not agree with the ethics of it, but until there is a supreme court ruling on tethering your child, accept the fact that there is nothing you have to say that is going to change what people do in this regard. You don't have to like it, but you would do well to mind your own business when passing them in a store. Go start some shit with an Emo or a street mime. Those people have problems.

Spanking kids and sending them to their rooms migh...

2008-07-26T21:06:00.000-07:00

Spanking kids and sending them to their rooms might "humiliate" them too.

Look, genius.What might be a minor indignity to yo...

2008-07-26T19:29:00.000-07:00

Look, genius.

What might be a minor indignity to you could be a genuine spirit breaking humilation for the child. You can lah dee dah all you want about people being too sensetive, well who effing cares, you can't do a thing about that, and if it's your child, you have to be mindful of it.

I don't really care if your kid grows up to be The Joker, but if you do, then you should quit being so quick to say "I'm willing to cause them some psych damage in order to protect them."

Yell your heads off all you want the leash has bee...

2008-07-26T17:06:00.000-07:00

Yell your heads off all you want the leash has been around for 30 years it's here to stay and there's nothing you're going to be able to do about it.

Moreover, if one is so dismissive of the real posi...

2008-07-26T13:35:00.000-07:00

Moreover, if one is so dismissive of the real posibility of psychological damage, consider...

Today's freely inflicted psych damage for the sake of the child's safety, could result in this when they grow older:

Child: "You...remind me of my father. *pulls knife* I HATED MY FATHER."

Yeah.

Scoff if you will, but until we know EVERYTHING about psychology and how individual people react to certain things, we can't be sure that they will recover from what they do.

Moreover, if one is so blase about the possibility of mental harm to a child on this issue, they might decide to compromise it further on other issues in the future.

Maybe you're right, but maybe I'm right too.

Alright, I had to make another post due to other p...

2008-07-26T04:07:00.000-07:00

Alright, I had to make another post due to other posts, specially by the whiteninja.

Amen to you... Think about it, technology makes things easier for us and we as humans become more lazy and less responsible.

Loose your keys? whistle and it'll beep to you.

Many other examples can be made, but the truth is that parents are becoming lazier.

Kid wants to play? give him a videogame and put in a room and forget about him/her. Hey, maybe your kid will find some sharp things to play with, sounds like fun.

True, I can see why a leash would be helpful to you... but what the hell happen to those elastic wristbands that kept you together?

I helped raised my brother since he was born and I have gone on many walks with him when he was little in very crowded places.

Yeah, he ran away sometimes, well guess what? get your lazy ass on the move and chase after him/her. Good work out.

And if you are too lazy for that, the hold your kid's hand at all times.

Final word is... you chose to have the kid, so don't make it easier on you for a few minutes while it can cause some permanent physical or psychological damage.

Modern America: people would prefer to do what's e...

2008-07-26T02:02:00.000-07:00

Modern America: people would prefer to do what's easiest for them rather than what's best for their children.

2008-07-26T02:01:00.000-07:00

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Long time reader, first time poster.I created an a...

2008-07-26T00:18:00.000-07:00

Long time reader, first time poster.

I created an account solely to reply to these comments.

After reading this, I realize that parents are children who are merely smarter and stronger than those who have just been born.

Thank you Dave, for making this entry, thus revealing just how many people are far too willing to "punish" their children just because they, the parents, can't or won't teach kids the right way of self discipline. I am not judging anyone from here, I'm just sayin'.

I just hope you're brave enough to sleep in your own bed tonight. From one man to another, pride is more important than sex.